warmth in the coldness of life…
The thought of my son undergoing the circumcision procedure is really anxiety-laden. I was really worried then that he might be too young for it and could experience trauma because of the pain. It was a nagging question to me – what age do boys really need to be circumcised? Are there no limits like those of girls and women that they should not be pregnant younger than 18 or more than 30 years old, which are risk zones?
I learned that there is no definite time or age for the circumcision procedure. It can be done right after birth which is routine and very common in the US, or eight days after birth as practiced by the Jewish in their Bris Milah ceremony. It can also be until 7 years old in the Islam religion, or never at all which is evident in China, Japan, Northern Europe and modern South America.
In the Philippines, it is a mixture of some of these practices. Some would like their young boys to be cut at once after birth. But oftentimes, circumcision is done before the boys get to high school.
Today marks Daryl’s day into manhood. He got circumcised this morning. Papsie told me that he did not hesitate and walked peacefully from the operating room the same way as he did before he was cut, with these words before they set off to the clinic, “Eventually I will be circumcised and I have to face it.”
Before I finish this off, I would like to tell you my personal belief on my decision of having my son circumcised. It is not because I am religious adhering to the Old Testament’s practice as a sign of the covenant between God and Abraham and his people. It is not because of cosmetic reasons done by the natives. It is more of medical consideration of guarding my son to a variety of diseases. Though this is not proven and opposed by detractors of its veracity, I believe it plus a combination of piety and preparation of my son to manhood. I consider more the benefits than the harm.
NOTE: Done properly, circumcision takes from three to 10 minutes. Each procedure begins with the same first step: the foreskin is separated from the glans, to which it adheres tightly in infants. Next, a clamp is applied to shield the glans and crush the foreskin where the cut will be made, in an effort to seal blood vessels and prevent bleeding. © 1993-2003 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
hello juliet
my 12-year-old son was circumcised less than two weeks ago and he bravely went through it as well, braver than I who was there by the head of the operating table, holding his hands to his chest as the doctors requested so he could not by reflex push them away during the operation. other than the unusually long time it took for the anaesthetic to take effect, during which the doctors kidded him if he had imbibed any alcohol before the operation, the procedure went without a hitch.
one of the main reasons why boys are circumcised is cultural tradition. it’s not even religious for many anymore (well, i guess for jews it is). but really, other than that, it serves no purpose whatever. it’s even a form of bodily mutilation. had i known this when i was younger, i would have not gone through it. when i have sons of my own, i’ll leave the decision to them.
Hi Bambit,
Might as well celebrate that we have reared our siblings into responsible individuals. Congratulations to us!
Thanks for dropping by and for sharing your similar experience.
Hi Renan,
First of all, I would like to say that I respect your opinion. We are all entitled to our beliefs. And I know that you would afford me that privilege, too.
But I do believe on the medical reason, plus the hygienic purpose, that it is a prophylaxis against some form of cancer and infection which is possible from the build up of smegma (a substance that is secreted under the foreskin). Though this is still a controversy, I think it is best that I stick to this conviction. What if it is right?
Also, I did not influence my son on the matter but it is mostly from his decision – I guess manufactured from the peer pressure – and I usually allow them to make their own decisions now that they are growing into adulthood.
Thanks for dropping by.
sang-ayon ako sa sinabi mo bing aka juliet (haba talaga ngalan mo). mas-hygenic ang tule. ibig sabihin mas malinis at walang amoy. itanong mo man sa mga oklabs.
ha ha ha bakit, me oklab na ba na nagsabi sa yo?
sabi nga nila, malinis at walang amoy… malay ko ba dun? di naman ako nagpatule ha ha ha
ty sa pagdalaw…
Understandably, very few people would want to comment on this topic. Well, I circumcised at 40. It was a personal decision and I believe it was one of the best I have made. It’s hygenic and good for one’s overall well being.
FOR GOD”S SAKE!!! 11 is never too young… never bing never…
But as a Student Nurse… the only age that a circumcision should never be done to0 boys age 3 to 6… at this level, the children’s worst fear is mutilation.. remermber the Oedipus complex by Sigmund Freud?
hi, bayi! i believe it’s a very good decision.
mon, i agree.
Bayi, Ididnt see you there… that is the best decision, I daresay.
I live in fla. and I have a 16 month old son who wasnt circumsied at birth because we didnt have the money. Now I fear that he is too old and that I will not find a doctor to preform the procedure. Please let me know if there is still hope for him.
of course there is still hope for him, raeann. read the comments, you can pick notes.
im 13 should i get circumcised??? mybe i will…… mybe i wont feel it when im older.my mom says i should’nt but i say yes its my right!
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for me, you should. it didnt hurt, according to my son.
i am in my 20 and was circumcised as a infant at five days old my parents had no problem about having me done and now i am pro circumcision
that’s too young, malcom.
Hi,
I’m 20 years old and I’m uncut. I have been thinking alot about getting cicrumcised but not because of my religious beliefs but more for personals reasons. I feel that it’s hygenic, and that it is a prophylaxis against some form of cancer and infection. I want very much to get this done but i have a few questions. Do you insurance policy cover this if its is more of a personal reason to get it done then nesscery? And if they do not cover it will they still allow for me to get it? If anyone could send me more info on the matter or theory’s it would be greatly appreciated. My email is Smittyj87@hotmail.com. Thank you so much .
Justin
i encourage you to have the cut. but i dont know how i will answer your concern on insurance
am not the authority here.
I am circumcised and from a 3rd world country. There many boys are circumcised when they are between 5 to 12 years.
The main thing boys fear about is they will be shown to aunts and school teachers. Most of the parents keep their sons undressed after circumcision until the wound heals. If some one visits the house the parents proudly show their circumcised sons. Mothers give speacial attention to circumcised penies as it heals. Boys are comforted by their moms on their laps but the boys are kept undressed. My cousin sisters son was circumcised and she did not put any underwear for him until it was healed and the boy was very shy when other women saw his circumcision.
hi, vince. thank you for sharing your this. i am actually interested with the country this practice is being done. i cannot blame the little boys to feel shame. it is indeed shameful.
Justin, your health insurance most probably will cover the procedure, provided you specify that your foreskin is redundant and causing some problem, not that you want to be rid of the nasty thing for purely cosmetic reasons.
As someone else said, it can be dangerous for a boy of about 5 to be circumcized, but any other age is okay. It is done at all ages already. Some studies suggest that about puberty is best, and some here have said that their boys came to want to get circumcized about that time.
Either way, if circumcision is not going to be done, or is to be delayed, all uncut boys should be strongly encouraged to keep their foreskins retracted, from the time they are first retractable.
thank you, charles, for the information. hope justin will be reading this.
i am 20 years old and was circumcised at 5 days old for hygenic reasons my father told me at 13 it was the best start a boy can have is to be cut that was in 1987 i am getting married in september and my partner and i have already decided that our son/s will be circumcised
I was not circumcised until I was a young adult. Growing up
I was the only one of my “gang” who was uncut. There were many foreskin problems that I had to deal with when I
was younger. Today I am totally happy to have had it done.
We also had our son circumcised shortly after birth. Looking
back I wish my parents had made that same decision that we made for our son
that’s good news, malcolm.
hi, werner. you mentioned you were circumcised when you were already a young adult. how old exactly were you? the old people used to say that as a young man grows older, the skin looses that suppleness so it would be a more difficult and longer process when he decides to have it done older than the age of puberty. personally, having a newly born child cut is too early. the foreskin can still grow.
Hi bingskee,
This practice is followed in India.
Nudity in front of many Indian families was considered most normal and not embarrassing. Usually the parents remove our cloths before taking bath and take them away or throw it with the dirty clothes. Boys need to get underwear from their parents. We used to wait until they give a dry underwear. Even when other relatives come to the house parents do not care.
Many houses in rural areas do not have a bathroom and boys are lead to the bathing place (usually a tap with bucket outside the house) naked. The real embarrassment comes when the boy is circumcised or if the wound is being healed. In my case my Mom used to bathe me naked even when I was 10 years old. She used to describe my circumcision and how I the wound was healed. She also used to joked about my circumcision to my female relatives. Later I got used to being undressed my Mom and finally overcame shyness.
Usually the mother unwraps the bandage and put a new one on until the wound heals. Mothers care about cleanliness of the genitals and even when I was in my teens my Mom did not trust me that I would was my penis properly. In Western countries they talk about what to wear and wearing boxers but there it is not even a question and the circumcised boys are kept nude until the wound heals.
In India some parents are curious to prevent masturbation. They wait to circumcise their sons. As they bath their sons naked they find out if the boy has reached puberty and check their underwear for stains. If they catch their sons masturbating they take that opportunity to circumcise them or even with stains in the underwear the boys will be questioned. Some parents deliberately prefer a lady doctor to circumcise their sons. Usually the circumcision is done tightly and the boy is not allowed to wear anything. Either the mothers take care of the healing wound or they hire female nurses do that. After unwrapping the bandage others are given an opportunity to see the healing site. It seems it is somewhat successful in controlling masturbation.
Well, I do not agree with what they do but unfortunately it is a practice which is very common in India. Once I and my parents were invited to a muslim circumcision party. The boys were circumcised without anesthesia in front of all relatives watching. The Mullah put the bandage and the boys lied on the bed naked. Even school teachers are invited to the Muslim circumcision parties. If the teachers are ladies it causes more embarrassment to the boys. My Mom once asked for photographs of a Muslim friend lived nearby when he was circumcised and my lady teacher was telling 2 muslim boys about how they were lying naked after circumcision.
hi, vince. thank you for taking time sharing this. it is very interesting indeed. well, i find some of the practices primeval but i had to respect it because they belong to your culture. i have to share some insights though:
- wouldn’t the circumcised male organ be infected when the boys are not allowed to wear anything after circumcision. the male organ is exposed to germs and bacteria when it is not covered.
- mothers in your country are very protective mothers, too. in the Philippines, it can be the father or the mother who assists in the cleaning of the wound.
- what does masturbation got to do with not being circumcised? would it not help loosen the foreskin before one gets circumcised?
- definitely, letting everyone watch a boy getting cirmcumcised is a taboo in the philippines, except in some rural countries where the little boys are circumcised with the old primitive ways of cutting the foreskin without anaesthesia but with leaves chewed by the man who performs the circumcision. i am not sure if there are mothers or females who watch the process.
Hi Bingskee,
Here are the answers to your questions:
1. The boys are not allowed to wear anything – but there will be a bandage/ointment on the wound so that it is not infected. Usually they use Dettoll or Tinger which are popular germ killers
2. It can be the father or the mother who assists in the cleaning of the wound.
Some times yes, the Fathers get involved too. But most of the time it is the mother’s responsibility. Mothers used to say to boys – “Son, it is after all Mom, so don’t be shy”. Mothers are the ones who want keep their sons on their laps.
3. Masturbation:
Masturbation is considered as a bad habit by most of the 3rd world mothers. They believe that the foreskin causes irritation and because of smegma accumulation the boys rub their penises which will lead to masturbation. Certainly circumcision prevents irritation of the penis. I have seen mothers rebuking boys when they put their hands in their crotches.
4. Females watching a boys circumcision is common in case of Muslims. But for others (Christians and Hindus) a lady doctor or nurse might watch obviously if they are circumcising the boy. After circumcision the mothers show and brag about that. My Mom told me that others have seen mine. Even my Mom’s sister used to tell me that she came to our house when I was circumcised. My elderly cousin sisters once asked me to remove my underwear just to see how does a circumcision would look like.
However this is nothing sexual or sexual abuse of a child. They do not sqeeze or sexually arouse the boys. I have never seen that. They just want to see that and do not want the boys to be shy about that. This is Mom’s love for their boys. Many Moms believe that the boys will grow up shy in future if they are not comfortable to be naked around their Moms. However they do not subject girls like this. Girls are very much protected by the culture.
Regards,
Vince
Circumcision in infancy provides a 10-fold reduction in urinary tract infections during the first 5 years. It also provides all the long-term benefits. The boy doesn’t have to worry about possible pain of having it done later.
The best age is 1 week to 3 months old as it heals very quickly at that age. The excised foreskin does not grow again!
As previously stated, elective circumcision should be avoided between 3 and 6 years old because the boy may fear losing his whole penis at that age.
Any other age is perfectly possible for circumcision, right up to old age, but it is much easier done before puberty and gives the greatest protection against sexually transmitted diseases when done prior to puberty.
When I was a boy, my foreskin would not retract fully due to adesions, so my mother took me to the doctor to be circumcised. he refused to circumcise me because the UK NHS disciouraged circumcision due to the cost and instead he broke the adhesions without anaesthetic. This hurt a lot but my foreskin was retractable from then on. However, I hated having a foreskin and when I married my present wife at age 40, she encouraged me to be circumcised and I was glad to agree. It was one of the best things that I have ever done and I would not have a foreskin again for anything in the world. I really wish that I had been circumcised as a baby; that way I would have had all the many benefits all my life.
hi, vince. thank you. that’s enlightening.
The excised foreskin does not grow again! ha ha me and my ignorance. thank you, vernon for such a significant info especially about avoiding circumcision from age 3 to 6.
i think it is a wise decision, richard.
Boys do not need to be circumcised. At any age. Over 75% of the world’s men are intact, and guess what, they like it that way. If you think there are medical reasons to circumcise boys, then explain why the Royal Australasian College of Physicians thinks otherwise. What makes the RACP statement especially significant is that the circ rate in Australia was about 90% in 1950 btw, so almost all the people responsible for this statement will either be circed men, or women married to circed men.
There is no national body of medics in a primarily intact country that would recommend circ. In fact no national medical organisation anywhere recommends circ, not even in Israel.
If your son wants to be circumcised, then it’s up to him, but explain to him that most of the world’s men prefer being intact. It’s going to hurt at whatever age, but the later you leave it, the better. It’s easier for the surgeon to do a good job on a man than a child.
I don’t think it’s true to say that women should only get pregnant between the ages of 18 and 30 either btw. My mother was 37 when she had me, and there are plenty of mothers who had their first child before they were 18.
The best time for boys and girls and men and women to be circucmised is eight days after they die. This way the circumcision can’t kill them.
See StopInfantCircumcision.org/crick-wald.htm
and MontaguNoCircPetition.org
How can anyone think Mutilating a boys penis is a good thing,no cosmetic surgery should be allowed on anyone under the age of 18 ever!
I was butchered as a child and have had problems all my life from the botched job that was forced on me,puberty was pure hell!
As for hygine,the penis is easily cleaned with soap and water!
Mutilating a childs genitals is a horrible practice and hopefully will be illegal one day!
There is no good reason to perform circumcision on either sex at any age . None Zilch. There is no medical condition circumcision is supposed to cure or prevent that cannot be cured or prevented by other less radical means. The foreskin is a result of millions of years of mammalian evolution. It serves a purpose. If it were detrimental it would have been removed by Darwinian selective pressure eons ago.
The foreskin is not a birth deffect!
Save our boys and kids across the world from this ancient barbaric crime called circumcision.
Find out what Intactivists do, below is just one of our daily discussions and also a very interesting video.
http://www.cirp.org/library/statements/sask2002/
In this same article I stumbled across this quote:
“Medical Indications for Infant Male Circumcision”
“On the basis of thorough review of the most recent medical literature, the Canadian Pediatric Society has concluded that the overall evidence of the benefits and harms of circumcision is so evenly balanced that it does not
support recommending circumcision as a routine procedure for newborns.”
It surprises me that even the Canadian Pediatric Society or those who mention pros and cons of circumcision do not consider or include the psychological harm that is caused when a child’s sex organs get ripped apart. We are not
just biological machines without soul and without psyche. If they would include the psychological damage caused by the pain of circumcision, the forced separation of the baby from the mother and the separation of mother love, the terror of knives intruding your genitals when you come to this world, knives and torture clamps being your first sexual experience and the fact that boys and men may suffer from having been deprived of a body part that was there for enhanced pleasure and protection of the glans and nobody else’s but their own, then the overall picture would get way out of balance; the curve would spike up to one hundred and stay there until men have either come to terms with it, adjusted and healed themselves, self empowered
themselves by restoring their foreskins or by helping to protect our powerless little brothers from having to endure that same injustice they had to endure as helpless little human beings. Self empowering is also taking on the fight with those who still are willing to perform this cruel
procedure on children.
Self empowering is demanding from the government to enact the MGM Bill now, self empowering means putting the circumcisers out of business and into jail if they don’t give it up now and if they don’t apologize for what they did.
We are humans with a loving psyche and loving soul and not just machines when we are born even though they try to turn us into such when they raise us with that forbidden love they experienced themselves or which the rest of us
have to witness on others and whose extreme form is circumcision or cutting away a part of our body that was there for giving and receiving pleasure and love. There is no excuse for circumcision, it is inhuman and criminal. A
child´s vulnerable psyche and soul has to be included and emphasized by the physicians or anybody who has to inform parents before attempting to perform such cold-blooded intrusion on a child’s body for whatever reason.
Parents have to be informed about the vulnerable psyche and love expecting soul of their children, light has to be shed in all aspects onto this inhuman procedure, not just the physical one, the psychological damage is reason
enough to call circumcision or genital mutilation a self forbidding crime.
Michael,
Warrior of Love
(Fwd) Penn & Teller Circumcision is BS program
http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?ei=UTF-8&b=0&vid=620449
or http://tinyurl.com/23kcyc
http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/nk-yGV0PJdM/
or http://tinyurl.com/2zlcwt
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2577091532653693892
or http://tinyurl.com/2hhud3
Please pass it on and get rewarded with heavenly love from all the boys who will be left intact because of you interfering with this ancient barbaric crime and direct attack on love. Become an intactivist. Thank you.
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Most comprehensive Collection of Information *www.cirp.org
National Organization of Circumcision Information Resource Center * http://www.nocirc.org
Doctors Opposing Circumcision * http://faculty.washington.edu/gcd/DOC/
Nurses for the Rights of the Child * http://www.cirp.org/nrc/
Attorneys for the Rights of the Child * http://www.arclaw.org/
Circumcision Resource Center * Jewish Issues * http://www.circumcision.org/
Students for Genital Integrity * studentsforgenitalintegrity.org/
National Organization to Halt Abuse and Routine Mutilation of Males *
http://www.noharmm.org/
Mothers Against Circumcision * http://www.mothersagainstcirc.org/
In Memory of the Sexually Mutilated Child * http://www.sexuallymutilatedchild.org/
Ashley Montagu Resolution * Nobel laureates * MontaguNOCIRCpetition.org/
National Organization of Restoring Men * foreskin restauration * http://www.norm.org/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoT0I9nCY1M
Reveal the truth * http://www.StopInfantCircumcision.org
My activities * http://people.tribe.net/gladiator-warrior-of-love/photos
hi, mark. i am sorry not to have been able to elaborate on the risk zones of getting pregnant not younger than 18 and later than 30. it was from a book actually, a Filipino medical book. i am not so sure if the study was based on Philippine women. it was a long time read. i think i forgot to mention (perhaps because this topic is not about it) that the conclusion was based mainly for health reasons, i.e., risky if the woman or the girl who gets pregnant is not physically healthy.
as to your insights on circumcision, this belief must be more of culture. you were brought in a culture that does not support circumcision so you believe in that. as to the claim that 75% per cent of the male population does not want a circumcision, i have yet to research on that. true or not, my belief would not be swayed that men or boys have to be circumcised.
hi, van. that’s funny. circumcision should not kill a child. if done properly, it cannot kill.
hi, russel. ‘I was butchered as a child and have had problems all my life..’. does that mean the circumcision job done on you was not a good one? if that is so, that is really traumatic. but that could have been avoided.Done properly, circumcision takes from three to 10 minutes. please take note of the phrase ‘done properly’. why would parents bring their children to hospitals who cannot perform the simple operation accurately?
i don’t think circumcision should be classified as mutilation. to mutilate is to damage seriously or to inflict serious damage. i dont see it as that.
leestein, i believe more on the hygenic reasons.
God is a loving god, warrior of love. if it is that detrimental, why was it allowed or done in one of the stories in the Bible?
my conclusion is this: i respect what you believe in, i respect what other cultures believe in about circumcision. i am not in a position to condemn. but i, together with those who believe that circumcision is beneficial and must be done, should also be afforded that respect.
You people mutilating helpless young children are nothing but criminals and abusers. You should be arrested and jailed. Cultures that require this disgusting procedure are sick. Every mother who allows a circumcision for her child should be required to first undergo the same procedure. Would she then be so willing to put her son through the same agony?
Bill, what about tooth extraction in little boys? Is that not painful? There are other minor surgeries that can cause pain to the boy as well. In the Old Testament God commanded circumcision, so it makes God a criminal. Circumcision has save so many lives and exceptions are not rules. When the smegma smells underneath the foreskin and mothers having a hard time in cleaning it… irate foreskin causing masturbation etc. Uncut=Unclean.
My parents did not circumcise me during the 1st month. Then I was unable to urinate because of phimosis and to save my life I got circumcised. I would not have had phimosis and suffered had they circumcised me during birth.
Every boy should be tightly circumcised.
I highly recommend mothers and fathers to read the following enquiry about the psychological consequences of circumcision:
http://epublications.bond.edu.au/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1120&context=hss_pubs
Cordially yours, Sigismond
I was circumcised aged 44. i am now 62. I so dearly wish my parents had found the cash to get me cut at birth. Growing up uncircumcised was hell. My penis was so hyper-sensitive under the foreskin that sex was almost painful. And the smell was awful. The first thing you notice after circumcision is the cleanliness. The penis does not need to be washed constantly to avoid stinking like a dog. Sex is longer lasting and more satisfying for both of usI can’t bring back those lost years but i make up for it by living positively and enjoying sex as often as I can. i am still very sexually active. i know it is because I am circumcised that I have extra energy ‘down there’.
Personally I THINK ITS GREAT BEING CIRCUMCISED. I LIKE THE LOOK AND ITS EASIER TO KEEP CLEAN. But I think it should be a matter of individual choice. Circumcision is neither pain-free or risk free as an operation, nor is it easily reversable. Therefore unless there are health reasons, it should be left up to the individual to make an informed decision as an adult.
that is quite informative, IAN. especially when you mentioned about the stinking smell. i have heard among filipino friends (men) that it does have that obnoxious smell, that cheesy substance that is found inside the foreskin, also called smegma, smells bad.
i agree with you, simenon. it is really a matter of individual choice. and i think it is not even right to condemn uncircumcised men, the same thing with circumcised men. one just have to explain the benefits of being circumcised. if the listener does not believe you, no problem, no harm done. it’s up to him.
Hi,
I am an Indian married to a Hindu man.
Hnidus carry a taboo regarding circumcision since it is considered a Muslim practice. Thus, it is very unusual for Hindu men to go under the snip during childhood.
My husband decided he wanted to get circumcised a year into our marriage, due to frequent injury to his foreskin during sex. After prolonged period of opposition to the idea, I agreed to let him have his choice
He underwent a free-hand cut this year. I must tell you that it was extremely painful for him fro the initial 1 week. This is something I believe men who choose to go under the knife as adults should consider in making their decision. Other than this, I do not see any downside.
Our sex life has become much better. He can maintain his erection for longer now. His foreskin does not injure any more. My vaginal irritation has decreased and, his penis no longer has that yuckky smell or the unwanted smegma collection. The friction is much better now …
Nilima
a FREE-HAND CUT? oooo, that’s painful. he didnt go to a hospital? he’s a brave man.
i hope readers will learn from the experiences of those who had decided to give themselves a cut. i am very particular about what you mentioned about vaginal irritation.
thank you, nilima, for sharing this. i bet it’s helpful info for some.
Hi,
Nooo …. freehand as in under general anasthesia. It wasn’t a ritual LOL.
Didn’t realize while he was not snipped … I guess the ocassional uncomfortable sensation while urinating was due to his mixture of smegma and sweat. I also had mild cases of uti once. This became a matter of the sealed past once he received the cut.
Speaking from the experience of a person who has seen it both ways, I would say that if a man cleans regularly then his partner can have it as healthy as someone with a circumcised man. However, going for the cut makes it much easier.
nilima_k2001@yahoo.com
Sorry, bingskee, for waiting several months to respond to
your question. I was 27 when I was circ’d and had the full
support and encouragement of my wife. Without her I pro-
bably would not have gotten up the courage to have this
procedure done, one that I really wanted to have since I
became aware of what circumcision is all about. I should add
that I never had input with the urologist who did me, leav-
ing me with a very loose circ that retained the frenulum.
This was not the outcome that I desired. So, some years
later I found another urologist who removed both the fren-
ulum and the extra skin, leaving me now with a tight cut.
Lesson: If you’re going to have an adult circ make sure that
you opt for a complete job the first time around. My wife and
I are both in complete agreement about this.
LOL and i thought a free hand cut means what i thought it was. glad you are both enjoying the benefits of circumcision, nilima.
ouch, that must be uncomfortable, werner. and this can be a moral that men should learn. no problem about the late answer. pleased to read it.
Open mouth, Insert foot…….. http://bingskee.wordpress.com/2007/07/18/the-real-mutilation/#comment-14149